Chris,
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Question #1: What authority vis a vis Magisterial documents does this new compendium possess? It would appear to speak a bit beyond the CCC on matters of war and peace.
Regards,
Rich Leonardi
I wasn't sure how to log in to your system so I'm posting anonymously.
Question #1: What authority vis a vis Magisterial documents does this new compendium possess? It would appear to speak a bit beyond the CCC on matters of war and peace.
Regards,
Rich Leonardi
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: 11:25 am
Rich,
I'd like to see the full text on war.
This bit "In fact, it is hardly possible to imagine that in an atomic era, war could be used as an instrument of justice" is straight out of Pacem in Terris paragraph 127 (it appears to be a different translation to that I have which puts it "Thus, in this age which boasts of its atomic power, it no longer makes sense to maintain that war is a fit instrument with which to repair the violation of justice.")
This part appears to be a new formulation of existing teaching :-
"War is a scourge and is never an appropriate way to resolve problems that arise between nations; it has never been and it will never be, because it creates new and still more complicated conflicts."
The first part says much the same as this from the text of the address John Paul II gave Thursday 27 May 2004 when he met the new Nigerian ambassador to the Holy See, Kingsley Sunny Ebenyi :-
"I reaffirm here what many religious figures have repeated so often: the use of violence can never claim a religious justification" (Message for the 1999 World Day of Peace, No. 5).
This rules out any "Just Wars" on the basis that "violence can never claim a religious justification".
The 2nd part says much the same as this from Centesimus Annus :-
"52. I myself, on the occasion of the recent tragic war in the Persian Gulf, repeated the cry: "Never again war!". No, never again war, which destroys the lives of innocent people, teaches how to kill, throws into upheaval even the lives of those who do the killing and leaves behind a trail of resentment and hatred, thus making it all the more difficult to find a just solution of the very problems which provoked the war."
I think it's important to bear in mind the distinction between armed intervention (which can be ligimate and even required, as recent Vatican statements have said) and war. The two are not the same.
God Bless
Chris Sullivan
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I'd like to see the full text on war.
This bit "In fact, it is hardly possible to imagine that in an atomic era, war could be used as an instrument of justice" is straight out of Pacem in Terris paragraph 127 (it appears to be a different translation to that I have which puts it "Thus, in this age which boasts of its atomic power, it no longer makes sense to maintain that war is a fit instrument with which to repair the violation of justice.")
This part appears to be a new formulation of existing teaching :-
"War is a scourge and is never an appropriate way to resolve problems that arise between nations; it has never been and it will never be, because it creates new and still more complicated conflicts."
The first part says much the same as this from the text of the address John Paul II gave Thursday 27 May 2004 when he met the new Nigerian ambassador to the Holy See, Kingsley Sunny Ebenyi :-
"I reaffirm here what many religious figures have repeated so often: the use of violence can never claim a religious justification" (Message for the 1999 World Day of Peace, No. 5).
This rules out any "Just Wars" on the basis that "violence can never claim a religious justification".
The 2nd part says much the same as this from Centesimus Annus :-
"52. I myself, on the occasion of the recent tragic war in the Persian Gulf, repeated the cry: "Never again war!". No, never again war, which destroys the lives of innocent people, teaches how to kill, throws into upheaval even the lives of those who do the killing and leaves behind a trail of resentment and hatred, thus making it all the more difficult to find a just solution of the very problems which provoked the war."
I think it's important to bear in mind the distinction between armed intervention (which can be ligimate and even required, as recent Vatican statements have said) and war. The two are not the same.
God Bless
Chris Sullivan
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